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Mass Control and Genuine Empowerment
Thursday, November 7, 2019
Mass Control and Genuine Empowerment, November 7, 2019
Lawrence: Good day.
Julie: Good day, Lawrence! It’s great to talk to you again.
Lawrence: And you as well, my friend.
Julie: Okay, so I have a couple of questions- recently in a group session Elias told us all about a select few individuals who have been behind all of the governments and a lot of the financial institutions, and they are the ones who are actually leading or ruling the world, or attempting to manipulate and control the world, the masses of people.
First of all, I was wondering if you could tell me more about these individuals, and why would Elias bring them up now? I have heard about these individuals for a long time, and people usually say, “That’s paranoia, that’s conspiracy theory, it’s not really true.” But now Elias has brought it up, and I am curious about why he brought it up, and if you have anything more to add about them?
Lawrence: Very well.
Now, these individuals are groups of people that are not necessarily acting in a coordinated fashion, but at times they do. And their interests are predominantly for themselves and their families, and others which they have close connections with.
Their purpose is to maintain that sense of control over the populace. And the purpose of that is most commonly for financial gain but not always, it is also as a means to control the public agenda through politics and religion.
Now, as we are moving forward through your shift, and the worldwide changes which are the social component of your shift, that is to say the changes in your society, its institutions are going to become highly affected by this shift.
One component of this as it relates to these individuals and groups of individuals, is that they sense the population is becoming less dependent, that is to say they are beginning to show signs of empowering themselves and to release themselves from what you might call the expectations of social order, of the rules of society, of the rules of your financial and political establishments, and this has raised concern with them.
Additionally, these individuals are concerned about the fairly recent deterioration, and rapid deterioration of your political systems- not just in your country but in others as well. For the political systems has been in a manner of speaking, their main channel to enforce their control by various means. Therefore, this destabilization of the political systems is of concern to them.
These people, what they want primarily is stability, but they want a stability that is functioning in the manner that suits them best. The destabilization of governments and political systems, and eventually and fairly soon financial systems, is of deep concern to them. And they will likely begin to exert actions to attempt to correct this, to bring the world back into a stable state, which they prefer. And this will likely entail actions by these individuals, that will become somewhat more transparent than they are now. For with the degradation of the political systems, it is more challenging for them to push forward their agendas.
Therefore, the main thrust of informing you at this time of the existence of these peoples and groups, is so that you may be aware of what is occurring, and of some potential unusual happenings that may happen as a result of their attempt to regain control.
And as they become more concerned and agitated about the loss of control as they see it, there will be likely a tendency to be more direct in their expressions of power.
Julie: Could you tell me- Elias mentioned that political correctness is one of the ways they use to manipulate the masses. Could you give me some other things to look for?
Lawrence: Very well. Political correctness is a device that they spawned for the purpose of stifling expression to some extent amongst individuals, under the guise of being more accepting of other individuals which may be different.
There are various other means which they have employed in the past, one of these is through advertising as you know it, by steering individuals to different lifestyles shall we say. Or it could be dietary in terms of what they consume, the idea being to control the consumption of goods, to steer the population into a particular segment of food for example, or it could be automobiles- it matters not.
They have exerted influence upon the population through your media, frequently through advertising but also through news media. In terms of news media, it would be not necessarily in fabrication of facts, but more subtlety in the interpretation of them.
In terms of political processes, they have had very considerable sway. They have endorsed candidates for example, not directly themselves but through proxies, and they have pushed through their political agendas that way.
Again, they are not particularly interested in the specifics of the policies of a government, more they are interested in controlling government expenditures in influencing the public, through public policy, for example.
Another area is religion- they have initiated splinter groups for example, of mainstream religions which are extreme, and more expressive in their opinions, as a way to gather other individuals who are attracted by the particular message of that particular religious sect. And in so doing, they exert influence over those individuals.
Those are the most common types of influences which they have wielded.
Julie: So, what about the Roman Catholic church? Is that involved?
Lawrence: Yes. As a matter of fact, that is one of the groups. And that institution has been in decline for several decades now, due to the changes in people’s view of religion. In the past, The Catholic Church enjoyed very considerable power over individuals. The Catholic Church presently, is working in a similar manner that I described for the other religious activities of these other groups, in that it is attempting to maintain its influence over perhaps not large populations, for they are no longer able to exert that kind of influence. However, they are continuing to still attract considerable numbers, and maintain the influence over those peoples.
Additionally, what you think as the Catholic Church which is of course centered about the Vatican, it has in actuality been operating more or less outside of the public view in other areas not related to religion, in terms of financial dealings and transactions. And in that way, they are acting somewhat similar to other groups.
Most of these groups want to exert their influence for their own self-interest- primarily for financial gain, and the Catholic Church is not immune from that.
Julie: So, these groups- it’s like a couple of different ones? They are not one organized group behind everything, but it’s more a couple of different groups who have had the power for thousands of years?
Lawrence: It is not a formal structure- each group may be for example a family, or it may be a business concern. Each group has its own agenda, however frequently the agenda of one group aligns with many others, or several others. And they do work in concert; they do communicate sometimes frequently in order to exert their influence. But generally speaking, each group is more or less autonomous.
Julie: What about the education system? I have read that it was developed mainly to create more factory workers; people who will do that kind of work. Dumbing the children down, instead of promoting them thinking for themselves. Are they involved in that too?
Lawrence: Yes. The educational system is another area in which they operate. Not only at higher levels of education, and in fact at higher levels of education, their influence is not so prominent.
It is in let us say, the first what you would call primary school to high school age, in which they want control. And they exert influence in this segment of the education, through imposition of a particular curriculum in the manner in which things are taught, and which subjects are taught.
And you are correct, they want to suppress individuality, they would much prefer a populace that does not engage in independent thinking to any great extent. Therefore, a lot of the schooling is geared towards fundamentals of reading and writing and mathematics, but it is all taught in a manner that requires strict adherence to the material that is taught and does not encourage and indeed stifles deviation.
Julie: That’s interesting. I have heard from some groups that Donald Trump does not cooperate with this group of individuals, and that he is kind of the first rogue president who is not under their thumb.
And so, I was curious what you have to say about that.
Lawrence: I would agree. And this president despite considerable opposition to the manner in which he operates, is in fact significant in moving you forward through the social changes that you are now engaging in.
His character is one that on the one hand, is highly polarizing and therefore destabilizing, and not at all what these individuals wish to accomplish- they want stability.
Now with this president, he has awakened the voice of many individuals who had previously felt stifled in their expression. They disagreed with many of the governmental impositions on various topics. And by speaking directly to these people who have felt they were oppressed and not being heard, he has awakened their rage. Not only their rage but their commitment to disruption; commitment to disrupting established institutions which they disagree with.
Presently, a lot of that anger is directed toward the other half of the population that values organization, and rules, and stability.
They also are feeling that they now have been empowered, for they see what this individual Trump has done. And they feel that they are a significant part of that process that he has begun.
Now, clearly this is not what these elite groups of people want. However, it will be quite challenging for them to reverse this. No matter what the outcome of the political future of this particular individual, a process has been started in which there is questioning, and discounting of the present political status quo. You may continue.
Julie: Okay. What can we as individuals do to empower ourselves in the midst of all this instability?
I feel more comfortable in a more stable situation, and unpredictability and instability seem more dangerous. If social systems break down too fast, or refugees coming in from different places who need homes, and people being confronted with huge differences in culture. What can we do to empower ourselves in all of this?
Lawrence: And indeed, this is the purpose of these unprecedented social changes, is the empowerment of the individual. And that is what you will learn, and you are learning.
The empowerment comes from a trust of yourself, a trust of your abilities, a trust that you have the power within you to create what you want.
And even for individuals that do not understand perception, and do not understand the mechanisms of reality, that sense of self-empowerment has been seeded.
It is a matter also of fully embracing the truth that all your experience springs from yourself, and you are not a victim of outside forces, that you always have choice. And that what appears to be an outside force, is in fact a reflection of you.
Julie: That’s very inspiring and brings me back to presence, and to my own personal power. It feels to me like sometimes just going in to the unknown, not really knowing what’s going to happen in the future but knowing that I can trust myself with whatever is going to happen- it’s going to be okay.
Lawrence: I would agree. And you don’t always know whether it will be okay, but that trust in yourself will allow you to know that you can flow forward, through any challenges that you present yourself. You may continue.
Julie: I was going to say also that through interconnectedness, I don’t have to even do everything that needs to be done, but that I can trust my fellow brothers and sisters on this earth to also be doing their part, and drawing them to me so that we can help each other out.
Lawrence: Yes, the piece in your shift of bringing to the surface shall we say, to the objective awareness your interconnectedness of each of you, is of course very significant. And you knowing that through that interconnection you have considerable influence to the collective, is also part of that empowerment.
Julie: Yes, that you mean that everything that I do personally in my own life, is actually rippling out to affect everyone in consciousness?
Lawrence: Yes. And the effect of that ripple and the magnitude of that ripple increases with your confidence in yourself, and your genuine commitment to what you are wanting to accomplish.
Additionally, the power of your influence multiplies greatly when combined with others which are wanting to move in a similar direction, wanting to influence the collective in a similar direction.
Your awareness that you do this, that you do influence, that in itself is also a factor in magnifying that ripple.
Julie: That’s beautiful.
Lawrence: In terms of the effects of these ripples, if an individual or a group of individuals proceeds in a direction that… or rather the purpose let us say is to influence the collective and they are proceeding in a direction that resonates with the collective at some level, and it may well not be at a level that is objectively in the awareness of the collective. If you are moving in that direction and wanting to influence the collective in the manner that the collective sees potential, sees benefit even though on the surface they may not understand or see it, then it creates truly a resonance within the collective. And it begins to ripple in many other directions throughout the whole collective.
And it may eventually, perhaps even likely depending on the purpose, become objectified within the collective. That is to say individuals will begin to act upon that projection, that ripple. They will begin to align themselves with it. Are you understanding?
Julie: I think so. I have been trying to think of an example- one example I thought of is say that a group of us in the Elias forum are practicing being present, and being more self-aware from moment to moment, and form a group around that, and share experiences in empowering ourselves.
I know that presence is very powerful in my own life, and is that the kind of group that could very much influence the collective?
Lawrence: Yes, it can. It is an influence that moves through the collective in a direction which they are moving in regardless.
However, by you and your group- particularly if you are intending to not only benefit you and your group members, but are also intending to create an influence in the collective through your interconnectedness- that intent will help propel it into the collective.
And this aspect of presence, it has been already initiated in similar ways in your society, in the collective- it is known by “mindfulness” for example. And other aspects of self-awareness can be practiced. And it has already begun to surface objectively in many parts of the world, and with many individuals.
Julie: Yes, so it’s already in motion.
And whenever I think of my own life, and I have questions and I don’t know how to proceed, becoming present, becoming aware of myself, of my greater essence that’s always the answer that comes to me- like that is going to make things better. And whatever situation it is, so I really believe in it. I can’t think of anything that is more powerful than that.
It initiates other actions that I might take in my life, but it always starts with that self-presence.
Lawrence: I agree with you in the importance of presence; it is a very key component of your expansion, and your movement forward. For most effectiveness, it needs to be used in conjunction with your sense of your own power. The presence gives you that self-awareness, allowing you to centre yourself and view more clearly the choices available to you, the choices you have presented to yourself.
Julie: Yes, it makes me more aware of the choices that I have presented to myself.
Lawrence: Precisely. And that in itself is very empowering.
Julie: It’s that thing of actually being more aware of choices.
Okay, do you have another example of that kind of thing, of a group of individuals empowering themselves? And in a very effective manner also, rippling through the collective? Something different from changing consciousness I guess, because that’s my thing, but I guess it’s not everybody’s thing.
So, empowering the collective to counter these changes in a less traumatic way.
Lawrence: The trauma that individuals are experiencing is largely from change, from change that was unexpected by them. From change in their governments, from change in other individuals and how other individuals behave.
For many individuals, this simultaneous change in many different areas of their lives, in many different areas of society is quite disquieting and traumatic.
And in addition, some of the individuals that are experiencing the most trauma are those that are fighting the change.
For an individual that is aware of how reality operates, is aware that the manner in which they express themselves is important and affects their experience and indeed creates their experience. For such an individual who is experiencing a discomfort from these changes, I would say to be accepting of the change as part of the process of moving through your shift in consciousness.
Even though you are aware of the goal of where the process is going, the changes that are occurring and some of them are very objectified such as with climate change, the changes that are causing such discomfort and trauma- it is a matter of first being primary, and being very direct in what you wish to accomplish, what direction you wish to move in. And being unconcerned of how others are reacting to the change.
A good part of what is disquieting in the present time is what may be perceived as disorder, and disorganization, and very shrill statements by individuals, and generally speaking what you might call civil unrest in various types of manifestations.
And by reminding yourself that all of these expressions of others though valid for those individuals, they need not affect you unless you allow it to. You need not allow it to be affecting upon you. It is true that you will be influenced by it, but by staying present and firmly rooted in the present moment, and continuously reminding yourself of that individual power that you hold and how real it is, then you will find a way forward and you will be less discomfited by the chaos that might surround you.
Julie: That’s inspiring. Thank you.
Lawrence: You are most welcome.
Julie: I had one more question, and maybe briefly you could answer this one and then I’ll call it quits for today, if that’s alright?
Lawrence: You may proceed.
Julie: Back to the political correctness, what is the difference between being politically correct and being tactful and sensitive in order to not push someone’s triggers? And I ask that because it appears to me that the ghosts like you and like Elias, all of you ghosts are able to phrase things in a way that doesn’t trigger people into contraction and reaction. So, do you have any advice about that?
Lawrence: Yes. This is actually quite simple- it is that if you are accepting of other individuals, accepting of their own choices and expressions regardless of what they may be, and you accept that they have their own life to lead as you do, then even though the other individual is different in one way or various ways, it is simply a matter of acknowledging that difference, and not only accepting it but seeing it as valid.
Now, in terms of your political correctness- it is not that piece of political correctness that is troublesome. On the surface, political correctness is about acceptance of others and their choices and their expressions. The piece about political correctness that is divisive, is when an individual feels compelled to single out another individual for not being accepting, for calling out of others.
And this can even be abused to some extent where an individual uses it as a political tool, for example, to call out others on the pretext that they are not being sufficiently correct. Does that answer your question?
Julie: Yes, I think so. I think it just comes down to every individual situation. And maybe instead of trying to deal with a whole group, just dealing with individuals.
It seems like if for example I say something in a group, there are always going to be people who don’t agree, or who might be offended. I have trouble navigating groups and speaking my truth, but it’s easier one on one I guess, because it’s easier to accept one person’s point of view, I guess there are too many individuals in a group, and it just gets kind of confusing for me there.
Lawrence: It is also a matter that people in a group feel more free perhaps, to express themselves in manners that they would not if they were addressing you directly and individually. And this is the way in which they want to express their disagreement with you, that they may do so perhaps in ways that you find objectionable, and perhaps even rude or discounting of you.
I would however make a gentle reminder that as in all experience, the experience that you present to yourself is a reflection. And they have chosen to respond to you in a certain manner, but the manner in which you receive (with emphasis) that expression, is your choice.
Julie: Okay. Good reminder, thank you. Okay Lawrence, well I feel like this has been a whole lot and I really appreciate it. Thanks for answering these questions for us.
Lawrence: Very well. And we have enjoyed our interactions as well. And with that, I wish you a good day.
Julie: Thank you. Good bye.